[Mm-friends] Windows 8: What It Is Really Like

Lino Morales lino0876 at carolina.rr.com
Sun Nov 18 19:38:45 GMT 2012

Well since some of you have installed WIN 8 already could you share how 
to get into the full version of IE 10? Do we still have to deal with the 
Information Bar when you want to download something? I'm glad that NV 
Access and NVDA has stepped it up and provides touch screen support. 
Love the new David voice. If I had a Windows 8 machine I'd use David 
with NVDA.
On 11/18/2012 8:02 AM, Chris wrote:
> Hello Kelsey.
> Well, I have read that an update to Supernova will be coming shortly. 
> Yes let's not forget Narrator is now a screen reader in Windows 8.
> Christopher Hallsworth
> On 17/11/2012 23:31, kelsey trevett wrote:
>> ---- Original Message ------
>> Subject: Re: [Mm-friends] Windows 8: What It Is Really Like
>> A friend of mine has Supernova with Windows 8.  I went to check it out
>> and although Windows 8 is not so accessible with Supernova, it still
>> works.  However, I would suggest using NVDA, JAWS or Windows Eyes (or
>> Narrator) for a perminent screenreader with Windows 8.  Despite the fact
>> that Supernova actually works with Windows 8, it is very slow and
>> unreliable and seems to have got into the habbit of shutting itself down
>> (Supernova I mean) so perhaps Dulphin need to have a look and see what
>> is going on.
>> The store in Windows 8 is rather accessible however it can mess you
>> around a little.  Do note that the apps marked `accessibility: no` are
>> not always unaccessible and then again the apps marked `accessibility:
>> yes` aren't always accessible. So don't take the accessibility into
>> consideration too much.
>> The start screen works great with the screenreaders mentioned previously
>> in this thread and NVDA 2012,3 has incorperated the new feature well.
>> The new Charms are like search boxes and options that can be used from
>> within Windows.  They pop out from the side of the currently active
>> Window.  This may seem like a bad idea for screenreaders as it may not
>> read the charm but there is no need to worry.  It still works perfectly.
>> Narrator has made a large jump from a rather bad piece of software to a
>> highly accessible software package.  Instead of the old, boaring,
>> unclear voices Microsoft provided previously, two new (I think) voices
>> have been included instead: Hazel and Sarah. Having one British English
>> and the other American English these voices allow users to have a choice
>> of accents and people.  Of course the older voices are still available
>> from the internet if you prefer them.
>> Internet Explorer 10 has two different aspects in Windows 8. There is a
>> desktop version which is a full version of IE10 whilst the version on
>> the start screen is just an app of Internet Explorer 10.  The app
>> doesn't include favourites, for those of you with low vision, the
>> address bar is on the bottom and some other small adjustments.
>> Outlook is no longer required.  A brand new mail program called `mail`
>> is now in Windows 8.  This is highly accessible with a list of messages
>> and folders to choose from.  There is also new apps for people and
>> messaging.
>> Windows 8 now has locator tracking along with lots of apps you can use
>> with this.  These include weather which appears on your start screen
>> telling you the basic forecast without having to even enter the app,
>> maps, travel and lots more from the store.
>> With all the features above and a screenreader (or narrator), Windows 8
>> provides a smooth and simple experience for those blind computer users
>> who wish to keep up with the latest technology.
>> I hope this helps you.
>> Kelsey
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Chris <christopherh40 at gmail.com
>>> To: mm-friends at acbradio.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 11:57:54 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [Mm-friends] Windows 8: What It Is Really Like
>>> Hello Kelsey.
>>> Thanks for the heads up regarding Windows upgrades and settings.
>>> How did you try it with Supernova? Asking as I read that the
>> current
>>> version is not supported under Windows 8.
>>> Glad you like it and have to agree with you regarding
>> accessibility.
>>> There are lots of misconceptions that Windows 8 is designed for
>> the
>>> touch screen market and therefore is not tailor made to be
>> accessible.
>>> Please relax folks, keyboard and mouse input is still supported
>> and it
>>> is just as accessible as Windows 7!
>>> Thanks for sharing once again.  Much appreciated.
>>> Christopher Hallsworth
>>> On 17/11/2012 21:36, kelsey trevett wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Last weekend I upgraded to Windows 8 from Vister.  When I found
>> out that
>>>> I didn't have a JAWS licence, I had to download NVDA.  That was
>> working
>>>> fine until Windows 8 crashed.  I had to send it in.  They said
>> (take
>>>> note of this if you plan to upgrade):
>>>> When you upgrade from one Windows version to another, you must
>> set the
>>>> old Windows settings to `default`.
>>>> I didn't do this therefore my PC crashed.
>>>> Now I have it running again, I think that it is...  amazing!
>>>> The keystrokes and new environment are extremely accessible with
>> the
>>>> following screenreaders:
>>>> NVDA.
>>>> JAWS (I know this due to the 40 min demo mode).
>>>> Supernova.
>>>> Windows Eyes and of course Windows Narrator.  The start screen
>> works
>>>> great and all the charms are fantastically accessible!
>>>> This is a good step up Microsoft, keep it up!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kelsey
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